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:bulletorange: Topic: The art of dreaming. Join in the discussion!


:sleepy: Power Dreamer's Forum  

This section is for general dreaming and sleep-related topics. You are encouraged to add your advice for power dreamer skills, sleeping and delusions.


    :bulletpink: Do you ever wake up all puffy and saggy like a monster in the mornings? I do, on occasion. It happens when I eat a really salty snack before bed. Also, crying will do it to me. Cigarettes seem to add a pallor to my morning visage too. Otherwise, I have rarely woken up puffy after drinking water before bed, or having no snacks or cigarettes. :bulletpink: Dreaming is a skill and an art. :bulletpink: One must remember their dreams to have had them at all. :bulletpink: The difference between dreams and visions is that one experiences a vision in the here and now. A dream is too strange and thus recalled as a distant memory. :bulletpink: Dreams will always be remembered when written down. :bulletpink: Inspiration often comes from dreams. :bulletpink: Dreaming can happen 12 seconds after dozing off. Waking up 15 seconds later, one may have lived a long dream. :bulletpink: In dreams people are motivated, and often get up to walk around. These people are likely to experience other dream irregularities such as narcolepsy, sleep paralysis, night terrors and lucid dreaming. :bulletpink: Dreaming is genetically a part of one's individuality. However, it is a skill which can be cultivated. :bulletpink: Real nightmares leave a person screaming or crying. :bulletpink: Waking up from a dream intentionally can be painful. :bulletpink: Dying in a dream is a unique experience. :bulletpink: Dreams have significance. There is symbolism which one's subconscious interperets, like it or not. :bulletpink: Dreaming is lifting the veil to the Spirit World. :bulletpink: Carlos Castenada wrote fiction, which is the same thing as non-fiction. :bulletpink: Dreams about sex happen often. These dreams can be absolutely anything and everything. Sexy deviant dreams cause emotional stress in some, and erotic soulfulness in others. :bulletpink: Sigmund Freud was right about some dreams. However, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And, sometimes dreams allow a erson to surpass their mortal instincts. :bulletpink:Aliens are visiting people in dreams. They want you to follow them. :bulletpink: Lucid dreaming accomplishments are either private, or tainted by ego. :bulletpink: Drugs and alcohol inhibit dreaming. However, the gentle and deliberate use of certain medicines can afford great accomplishments in dreaming. :bulletpink: It's rude to dream at people uninvited. :bulletpink: Pinching one's self, patting one's self down, or doing a head-check while awake is a good exercise. One should do one of those things and say to themselves "am I dreaming" once a week. This increases the chance that the dreamer will realize they are dreaming while asleep. :bulletpink: Enthusiastic hollering, pointing at things, and following weird things in dreams are good ways to become conscious of dreams. :bulletpink: Dreaming is sometimes dangerous. :bulletpink: Dreaming is always an adventure.


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If you really want to improve at lucid dreaming, check out Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, by Stephen LaBerge. Others have explored the art of lucid dreaming, but he invented the science.

I can often find artistic inspiration from dreams, but I can never catch the true image. This is what keeps me drawing my dreams, as I am determined to someday bring a dream-scene back unchanged.
KansasArtist Dec 26, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
In that case it's good that you joined the PDG! It will be neat to see what you add.

Regarding artistic inspirations from dreams, memories can be elusive, even though at some point we remembered all that we have forgotten.

That's how we know we've forgotten things. As such, we have to record the memories at the times they are clear. Sometimes snippets from dreams are remembered out of order and at different times.

Details and associations are important for journals, but may be considered private. Keeping intimate details private can help keep the images true.

For some, the optimal time for recording dreams is not at waking, but when the dream is first remembered. It could be during work, while driving etc.

To let you in on my perspective: Every dream I have ever written down is like a memory of a movie. Just looking at the text brings it all back with subtle changes and flaws. It is similar to remembering something I watched. I suffer difficulty drawing anything I just remember. Detailed notes always help.

Cheers! Thanks for suggesting the book. I'll read it!
HalBaby Dec 9, 2009
Looks interesting so far. it's good to dream, I find it soothing.
MyArtself Sep 1, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
I always have lucid dreams, but lately not ones I can make art with...
KansasArtist Jul 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
All of these comments about nutrition are to ailow a person to rule out causes for dreamer's block.

By process of elimination, a person can rule out nutrition, then sleep cycles, medications, sleeping or waking habits, journal keeping and stress. Experimenting with lifestyle changes and sleep cycles for weeks or months can lead to gratifying dream recall.

KansasArtist Jul 27, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
This conversation has generated some questions in private message form. I would like to share some of this with the PDG.

Question: How does one practice lucid dreaming?

Answer: The following is a list of methods I can suggest. There are scores of methods and books on the subject which I have yet to read.

1. The Art of Dreaming, by Carlos Castenada

The book The Art of Dreaming by Carlos Castenada is difficult to understand. However, it is a manual in narrative form. I suggest reading it twice. The first time take notes about questions which arise. The second time, scan it for true instructions.

2. Shamans

If that book is not for you, I suggest talking with a reiki master, or shaman. You can find them in Kansas. Pray to meet one and you will.

I have no other books to suggest.

3. Practice techniques

The most simple trick is done while drifting off to sleep. First is to practice looking at your imagined hands in front of you while looking through your fingers out at the dreamscape. Then, look back at your fingers and repeat this step until you are dreaming. Sometimes it's fun to look out at the whole universe, then back to your hands.

When you are fully asleep, search the dream looking for something which is out of place. These things will move and you ought to follow them. Follow them all around and watch them change. They hide. But if you point at them or yell at them, they are easier to follow.

This practice trains you to be both in your body, and out of your body. It also trains you to be fearless. That's essential practice for learning.

With practice, you can be fully dreaming in less than a minute. You can even come back with a full dream in as little as 15 seconds.

If you have trouble following these things when fully asleep, try pointing at them.

4. Salvia divinorum

Drugs don't help. You can talk to a shaman abut how to use salvia divinorum. I don't suggest salvia for anyone with mental illness. It's completely inappropriate.

Salvia may lift the veil between dimensions before one is ready, or at the wrong moment. Be sure you are with an elder shaman if you choose this route.

Carlos Castaneda was famous for using drugs at the wrong times.

5. Pinch yourself

When you are awake, try pinching yourself and say "Am I dreaming?". Then, when you are dreaming you are more likely to pinch yourself when you encounter something unusual. Pinching yourself in a dream may prove that you are in fact dreaming.

Take this opportunity to do something emotional. Do anything emotional. Just be vehement about it. That can put you in control.

6. Be fearless

Remember, power means fitting a very large thing through a tiny space. You are already powerful. This may be vague or seem untrue right now. Just be fearless and you will see.

Power-Dreaming means avoiding ego and following the dream. Being fearless means you don't have to compete with yourself to be in control of the dream.

7. Tabletop method

This is the most intense method for lucid dreaming that I know of. It also trains a person to be both in and out of their body, as well as being fearless.

Imagine a tabletop with one of everything you have a name for on it. If the items on the tabletop appear muddled, practice clearing the tabletop and placing things on it one at a time.

Put a hole in the tabletop and let everything get sucked inside. Then, practice pulling things out one at a time until you can see them all at once.

Use the tabletop instead of your imagined hands while falling asleep. Look from the tabletop out at the dreamscape and back again. Repeat this until you are fully dreaming.

Try jumping onto the tabletop and looking at yourself amongst everything you have a name for. Then, look at the dreamscape from your original perspective again. Do this until you are dreaming.

Honestly practicing the tabletop daily for years is what it takes for some people to master it. Others can do it right away. Each person is different in this respect.

Try putting your situations on the tabletop and watch them play out. This can help other areas of life in addition to being good training for dream-work.

If the tabletop image spins out of control, changes size extremely, or is invisible, then you are experiencing the normal effort required to master this technique.

8. Natural dreamers

Some people are natural lucid dreamers. The one I met was also a natural mathematician. Go figure.

9. Avoid frying yourself

Daily practice doing visualizations can take its toll on a person. It's best to find a mentor who you can talk to in person. Tell them your experiences and questions.

Keep your experiences quietly to your self and your mentor. The joy of lucid dreaming is easily lost if a person braggs.
I haven't been able to dream much. Is there anything in particular anyone can recommend? I dreamed like crazy when I was little, but now...I can't do much in the way of dreaming.
KansasArtist Jul 27, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I would recommend doing the thing Jadisofeternity just talked about.


Put your dream journal as near to your bed as possible. Avoid even getting up to write in it. First thing when you awake, remain still so the dopamine is still in your system. With journal in hand, write down your every memory.


When you write, remember to avoid negatives. In the first moments after waking up, you should avoid writing or even thinking phrases such as: I can't; don't recall; forgot; difficulty remembering; I won't and I shouldn't have. When you are groggy, you are very suggestive. That's one of the principles of brain-washing. In other words, saying or thinking "I can't remember" causes you to lose the ability to recall.

Here are some simple examples of positive phrasing. In this example, the dreamer wants to remember a dream about a car, and a dream about a friend: "vague image of a car" or "I saw my best friend" are positive and will lead to remembering more details. "I can't remember the car" or "I don't know what my friend was doing" may lead to forgetting the details.

Adults typically forget dreams because there is no time to lay around and think. It's best to use the moments after waking up to write them. Use your subconscious to your advantage by using even more positive self-talk.


For instance, before sleeping close your eyes and talk to yourself about your sleep-related goals. Things to say may be "I will wake up when the alarm goes off and write in the dream journal" or "I will remember all of my dreams when I awake" and "I wll be still when I wake up and remember what I dreamed."

Most importantly, be specific and repeat your self talk at least three times with your eyes closed. That way your subconscious is listening to you more intently than if your eyes are open.


If I remember psych 101, the average sleep cycle is 1.5 to 2 hours. People fall asleep and progress into chemically-induced REM states. During REM, the dreamer is partially paralyzed by these chemicals. And after REM the chemicals are reabsorbed by the body.

So, the average person has four to five sleep cycles in an eight hour rest. Your job is to find out exactly how long your sleep cylce is. It is usually steady, so you can do it!

The trick to remembering dreams is to awake several minutes after REM ends and before you begin a new sleep cycle. During this short window of opportunity, you should be less groggy, and more able to recall dreams.

Keeping a dream journal helps find the timing of your sleep cycles. When you awake, take note of exactly how long you actually slept and exactly what you experienced. Take note of the following: 1. how groggy are you? 2. do you remember anything about dreams and in how much detail? 3. Is your face puffy and your body stiff?

Change the ammount of time you sleep until you find the length of time it takes for you to complete 2 to 4 complete sleep cycles and awake several minutes after REM.

If this is difficult, you can employ a video camera to watch for signs of REM, and keep a journal to verify the results.

Doing this can make it much easier to remember what you experienced while sleeping.


Be sober. Be caffeine free. Be fasting. Be well!
:icondeadeneddreams: said that chemicals in your body induced REM sleep, right? Body chemicals are made from the breakdown of what you eat, so...

Is it possible that my vegetarianism could be affecting what chemicals and how much of these chemicals are released during my REM cycles? If so, are there any alternatives to meat that you know of that I could use to compensate? Some sort of vitamin or whatever?

Because I haven't actually dreamed...for...ages. I had one a couple of weeks ago and I was so surprised I did, I still recall it. But...they come...once every three months or so. Hence my aabove stated hypothesis.
KansasArtist Jul 27, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
If you are already aware of your habits, try to be disciplined and behave before bed. three hours before bed is a good time to stop eating, smoking etc. If you require a snack, then stick to melons and nonalcaholic uncaffeinated beverages during this time. That's likely to help.

Being sober is very important. Inebriates cause your brain to be lest restful during sleep.

I use the "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" to diagnose nutrient deficiencies in myself. It's an affordable and accurate manual.

In lieu of buying that $20.00 book, you can try combining complimentary proteins to be sure that you have a complete set of amino acids in your diet.

Ask your physician what they think is right for you and your body.

I got the following list of complimentart proteins here:[link]

* Grains plus legumes. Try black beans and rice.
* Nuts and seeds plus legumes. Lentil soup with a serving of almonds on the side.
* Corn plus legumes. Try pinto beans in a corn tortilla.

There are lots of possible combinations.

* Try whole grain pasta tossed with peas, almonds, and your favorite sauce.
* Whole wheat toast with peanut butter will give you a complete protein.
* Bean soup with whole grain crackers.
* Corn tortillas with refried beans and rice.

In my opinion, it's more useful to eat the food pyramid and take an amino acid suppliment such as Braggs Liquid Aminos, which is an unfermented soy sauce. You don't necessarily have to eat complimentary proteins all of the time, since the complete food pyramid should take care of your needs. Plus your body compensates by synthesizing a few of the missing aminos.

I am no physician. Please talk to one before taking my advice.
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